Is George Lucas having regrets about selling his Force-filled empire to Disney? He says no, but the Star Wars creator seemed slightly bitter about his space opera in an interview with Charlie Rose at the Skywalker Ranch that aired over Christmas but is just starting to make its way around the Internet. In the interview, Lucas called the first six episodes his “children” and referred to his separation from the Star Wars franchise as a “breakup.”

He also didn’t seem entirely pleased with the new film, Episode VII: The Force Awakens, which borrowed plot points—and brought back original characters—from his films.

“The first three movies had all kinds of issues,” he told Rose. “[Disney] looked at the stories, and they said, we want to make something for the fans. I said, all I wanted to do is tell a story of what happened, it started here and went here… it’s a family soap opera, ultimately. We call it a space opera, but people don’t realize it’s actually a soap opera, and it’s all about family problems. It’s not about spaceships.”